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	<title>Comments on: SECURITY WARNING: be careful when you install Adobe AIR applications</title>
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	<description>en route to a "richer" Internet</description>
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		<title>By: Raghu</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27944</link>
		<dc:creator>Raghu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope this puts to rest a lot of concerns raised here - http://raghuonflex.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/air_security_for_user/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope this puts to rest a lot of concerns raised here - <a href="http://raghuonflex.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/air_security_for_user/" rel="nofollow">http://raghuonflex.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/air_security_for_user/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27918</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;It does provide some security by ensuring that the AIR file has not been tampered with since it was &#62;created.

Yeah .. although, as I mentioned, that helps only in an upgrade scenario and not otherwise since if someone were to tamper with an AIR file he could also repackage and sign it with a new certificate of his own.

I'm assuming (haven't tested it) that AIR runtime warns the user if there is a mismatch between the certificates of an old version and a new version during an upgrade .. so a self signed certificate does help in that scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;It does provide some security by ensuring that the AIR file has not been tampered with since it was &gt;created.</p>
<p>Yeah .. although, as I mentioned, that helps only in an upgrade scenario and not otherwise since if someone were to tamper with an AIR file he could also repackage and sign it with a new certificate of his own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming (haven&#8217;t tested it) that AIR runtime warns the user if there is a mismatch between the certificates of an old version and a new version during an upgrade .. so a self signed certificate does help in that scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: mike chambers</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27914</link>
		<dc:creator>mike chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;Although, what good is a self signed certificate 

It does provide some security by ensuring that the AIR file has not been tampered with since it was created.

However, the publisher's origin cannot be verified or trusted.

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Although, what good is a self signed certificate </p>
<p>It does provide some security by ensuring that the AIR file has not been tampered with since it was created.</p>
<p>However, the publisher&#8217;s origin cannot be verified or trusted.</p>
<p>mike chambers</p>
<p><a href="mailto:mesh@adobe.com">mesh@adobe.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: be careful when you install Adobe AIR applications &#171; Rich Internet Applications</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27906</link>
		<dc:creator>be careful when you install Adobe AIR applications &#171; Rich Internet Applications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about it a little more.. a self signed certificate does provide a little bit of security in a upgrade scenario ... provided, you did not receive a rouge AIR file the first time you installed the app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about it a little more.. a self signed certificate does provide a little bit of security in a upgrade scenario &#8230; provided, you did not receive a rouge AIR file the first time you installed the app.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27901</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raghu,

Thanks for the correction :) .. ya its not possible to package an AIR file without at least a self signed certificate. 

Although, what good is a self signed certificate ... there is no guarantee of identity. In fact the AIR install wizard shouldn't and doesn't even show a self signed identity.

Mrinal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raghu,</p>
<p>Thanks for the correction <img src='http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .. ya its not possible to package an AIR file without at least a self signed certificate. </p>
<p>Although, what good is a self signed certificate &#8230; there is no guarantee of identity. In fact the AIR install wizard shouldn&#8217;t and doesn&#8217;t even show a self signed identity.</p>
<p>Mrinal</p>
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		<title>By: Raghu</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27898</link>
		<dc:creator>Raghu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;I was trying to address the fact that many AIR developers are not signing apps

Don't you mean that most AIR developers are self signing air apps? I don't think it is possible to package an app without signing it (atleast by a self-signed certificate)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I was trying to address the fact that many AIR developers are not signing apps</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean that most AIR developers are self signing air apps? I don&#8217;t think it is possible to package an app without signing it (atleast by a self-signed certificate)</p>
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		<title>By: kumargandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kumargandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrinal,

This post is really informative and thanks for sharing your knowledge, and finally i feel that if the Title of this post scares the non-developers, but when we read the post its not that scary , and very informative and developers can gather some basics here.

regards,
kumar.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrinal,</p>
<p>This post is really informative and thanks for sharing your knowledge, and finally i feel that if the Title of this post scares the non-developers, but when we read the post its not that scary , and very informative and developers can gather some basics here.</p>
<p>regards,<br />
kumar.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loic,

I totally trust you guys :D ...  the signature will just assure me (and other users) that the air file came directly from you and was not tampered with before it reached me.

Glad you realize the importance of this.

I love twhirl,

Cheers,
Mrinal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loic,</p>
<p>I totally trust you guys <img src='http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;  the signature will just assure me (and other users) that the air file came directly from you and was not tampered with before it reached me.</p>
<p>Glad you realize the importance of this.</p>
<p>I love twhirl,</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Mrinal</p>
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		<title>By: Loic</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27679</link>
		<dc:creator>Loic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mrinal, thank you that is a good point that you are raising and I have addressed it with Marco. 

We're not evil you can trust us, but I appreciate your concerns and let me know if I can reassure you in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mrinal, thank you that is a good point that you are raising and I have addressed it with Marco. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re not evil you can trust us, but I appreciate your concerns and let me know if I can reassure you in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparks</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27647</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness, caution with AIR apps is almost more warranted.  

While code-signing in desktop applications is underused (available, but underused!), most desktop applications do not install automatically out of a browser as AIR applications can.  And in my experience (having dealt with only partially tech-literate relatives!), people are more likely to blindly click 'ok' on things that pop up out of a browser than on a desktop.  Only marginally so, but still.

And yes, really, we need better methods for handling authentication without having to trust the secret details to a third-party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, caution with AIR apps is almost more warranted.  </p>
<p>While code-signing in desktop applications is underused (available, but underused!), most desktop applications do not install automatically out of a browser as AIR applications can.  And in my experience (having dealt with only partially tech-literate relatives!), people are more likely to blindly click &#8216;ok&#8217; on things that pop up out of a browser than on a desktop.  Only marginally so, but still.</p>
<p>And yes, really, we need better methods for handling authentication without having to trust the secret details to a third-party.</p>
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		<title>By: mike chambers</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27640</link>
		<dc:creator>mike chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to clarify my comments on this, because they seem to have been misconstrued.

I think that the title was misleading. However, I agree with the actual post.

-End users should be careful when they install desktop applications.

-Developers should sign their application with a cert from a known and trusted authority.

-End users should be careful about giving apps user / pass for services.

This last item is really up to the service provides, who need to provide auth other than http auth. For example, FriendFeed and Flickr handle this in a way that doesn't require the user to give their auth info directly to the app. It is more work for the developer to implement, but ultimately safer for the end user.

mike chambers

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to clarify my comments on this, because they seem to have been misconstrued.</p>
<p>I think that the title was misleading. However, I agree with the actual post.</p>
<p>-End users should be careful when they install desktop applications.</p>
<p>-Developers should sign their application with a cert from a known and trusted authority.</p>
<p>-End users should be careful about giving apps user / pass for services.</p>
<p>This last item is really up to the service provides, who need to provide auth other than http auth. For example, FriendFeed and Flickr handle this in a way that doesn&#8217;t require the user to give their auth info directly to the app. It is more work for the developer to implement, but ultimately safer for the end user.</p>
<p>mike chambers</p>
<p><a href="mailto:mesh@adobe.com">mesh@adobe.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: mike chambers</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27639</link>
		<dc:creator>mike chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said the post was sensationalist. A number of people said the title was.

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said the post was sensationalist. A number of people said the title was.</p>
<p>mike chambers</p>
<p><a href="mailto:mesh@adobe.com">mesh@adobe.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Ellis</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/07/21/security-warning-be-careful-when-you-install-adobe-air-applications/comment-page-1/#comment-27634</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg. Sensationalistic? I don't think so. If this were a sensationalistic post, there would be some idiotic mention of AIR vs. Silverlight. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg. Sensationalistic? I don&#8217;t think so. If this were a sensationalistic post, there would be some idiotic mention of AIR vs. Silverlight. <img src='http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darren I realize that the title can be misinterpreted by someone who is just skimming through although that was never my intention, which I think is clear from the content of the post .. so calling me a sensationalist just feels a little harsh :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darren I realize that the title can be misinterpreted by someone who is just skimming through although that was never my intention, which I think is clear from the content of the post .. so calling me a sensationalist just feels a little harsh <img src='http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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