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	<title>Comments on: Adobe AIR versus Microsoft Silverlight</title>
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	<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/</link>
	<description>en route to a "richer" Internet</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Utkal</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-27187</link>
		<dc:creator>Utkal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems from the current wave that the real battle in RIA in future will be between Adobe and Microsoft. And off course if one can implement a new feature as R&#38;D, then other will copy and implement it and vice-versa. 
Adobe has advantage being a family of Flash products. You may not find any website today without a flash movie in their portal. Microsoft need to come with cross-platform solution to be in completion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems from the current wave that the real battle in RIA in future will be between Adobe and Microsoft. And off course if one can implement a new feature as R&amp;D, then other will copy and implement it and vice-versa.<br />
Adobe has advantage being a family of Flash products. You may not find any website today without a flash movie in their portal. Microsoft need to come with cross-platform solution to be in completion.</p>
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		<title>By: Silverlight, do I know you? at todepoint.com</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25876</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverlight, do I know you? at todepoint.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mrinal Wadhwa:  Microsoft Silverlight is a browser plugin and is sort of similar to Adobeâ€™s Flash Player and Flex Framework taken together [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mrinal Wadhwa:  Microsoft Silverlight is a browser plugin and is sort of similar to Adobeâ€™s Flash Player and Flex Framework taken together [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Kant</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25639</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek Kant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mrinal, this may help:
http://cid-b57885a726c2b921.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Shared%20Pictures/big%7C_blue2.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mrinal, this may help:<br />
<a href="http://cid-b57885a726c2b921.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Shared%20Pictures/big%7C_blue2.png" rel="nofollow">http://cid-b57885a726c2b921.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Shared%20Pictures/big%7C_blue2.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25635</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aditya ... sorry about that, I couldn't find a transparent background image for the Silverlight logo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aditya &#8230; sorry about that, I couldn&#8217;t find a transparent background image for the Silverlight logo</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Monson-Haefel</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25577</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Monson-Haefel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mrinal,

The lines between browser-based clients and desktop clients is already blurred.  So in order to be accurate bloggers and journalists need to address that fact rather than getting hung up on differentiating between Silverlight and AIR.  

There is, of course, the need to define different approaches and Silverlight and AIR do have different approaches to the same problem. 

However, they are both trying to solve the same problem which is how to present information that is accessed via the Internet in a GUI representation across operating systems.  Comparing Silverlight, AIR, Curl, Ajax seems very appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mrinal,</p>
<p>The lines between browser-based clients and desktop clients is already blurred.  So in order to be accurate bloggers and journalists need to address that fact rather than getting hung up on differentiating between Silverlight and AIR.  </p>
<p>There is, of course, the need to define different approaches and Silverlight and AIR do have different approaches to the same problem. </p>
<p>However, they are both trying to solve the same problem which is how to present information that is accessed via the Internet in a GUI representation across operating systems.  Comparing Silverlight, AIR, Curl, Ajax seems very appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25574</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I cannot agree more that the line is blurring and frankly I'm excited about the time when it will just not exist.

But in the mean time accuracy and clarity are important otherwise with your logic above we could end up with arguments as lame as HTML engines are equivalent to .NET or Java

Technology journalists and bloggers are supposed to report the state of technology as it exists and as Peter said above .. "its not rocket science"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I cannot agree more that the line is blurring and frankly I&#8217;m excited about the time when it will just not exist.</p>
<p>But in the mean time accuracy and clarity are important otherwise with your logic above we could end up with arguments as lame as HTML engines are equivalent to .NET or Java</p>
<p>Technology journalists and bloggers are supposed to report the state of technology as it exists and as Peter said above .. &#8220;its not rocket science&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Monson-Haefel</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25523</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Monson-Haefel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand your frustration and at a technical level you are exactly right - but only in a very limited sense. 

The truth is that line between desktop and RIA technologies is already blurred from a technical perspective. 

For example, Curl (I work for them) has a single runtime that provides both a desktop- and a browser-based platform. You can develop Curl applications that run in the browser or can run on the desktop. In either case (applet or application) the Curl program has access to a quarantined section of the disk so the difference between RIA and Desktop is subtle at best.

The point is: Other RIA technologies are moving in the same direction as Curl which has offered this combination of desktop and web browser model for several years.  Making the distinction between Silverlight and Adobe AIR isn't going to help people in the long run. Eventually Silverlight will have an off-line desktop capability and so the distinction won't hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand your frustration and at a technical level you are exactly right - but only in a very limited sense. </p>
<p>The truth is that line between desktop and RIA technologies is already blurred from a technical perspective. </p>
<p>For example, Curl (I work for them) has a single runtime that provides both a desktop- and a browser-based platform. You can develop Curl applications that run in the browser or can run on the desktop. In either case (applet or application) the Curl program has access to a quarantined section of the disk so the difference between RIA and Desktop is subtle at best.</p>
<p>The point is: Other RIA technologies are moving in the same direction as Curl which has offered this combination of desktop and web browser model for several years.  Making the distinction between Silverlight and Adobe AIR isn&#8217;t going to help people in the long run. Eventually Silverlight will have an off-line desktop capability and so the distinction won&#8217;t hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25519</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abhishek

The point I made in the post above was "AIR != Silverlight" 

All I'm saying is that the comparison between AIR and Silverlight is irrelevant.

AIR and WPF is definitely a more relevant comparison but its still does not mean that AIR is equivalent to WPF .. and hence my statement above that AIR has no equivalent in the Microsoft world .. because the differences between AIR and WPF are way too many ... the only common thing that they have is that both can be used to make applications that run on the desktop.

The statements in Imai's comment ..

AIR == .NET is false because the differences are way too many and not negligible

.NET &#62;&#62;&#62; AIR is false  because there are things that AIR does better and there are things that .NET does better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhishek</p>
<p>The point I made in the post above was &#8220;AIR != Silverlight&#8221; </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that the comparison between AIR and Silverlight is irrelevant.</p>
<p>AIR and WPF is definitely a more relevant comparison but its still does not mean that AIR is equivalent to WPF .. and hence my statement above that AIR has no equivalent in the Microsoft world .. because the differences between AIR and WPF are way too many &#8230; the only common thing that they have is that both can be used to make applications that run on the desktop.</p>
<p>The statements in Imai&#8217;s comment ..</p>
<p>AIR == .NET is false because the differences are way too many and not negligible</p>
<p>.NET &gt;&gt;&gt; AIR is false  because there are things that AIR does better and there are things that .NET does better.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Kant</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25517</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek Kant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imai, that is the thing that i mentioned before as well.. Silverlight is XAML and so is WPF... so apps developed on Silverlight will run on WPF... being based off the web you have to restrict things like access to Hard Disk and that's what Silverlight turns off.. XAML apps are run inside any other normal HTML page...
Silverlight is xcrossplatform as it can run on Mac and on Linux via the Mono Project...
Mrinal does mention that WPF is native to Windows can hence more powerful.. adding to that it is much more powerful in the media space i.e. videos and audio delivery..
at this time, the technology behind WPF and Silverlight is still being matured... so it may be some days off before you see real world impact of Silverlight BUT it is definitely coming... and this may be a good time to get started with that as there are very few experts in the market.. 
at the end, i agree with Phillip that these are technologies that are from different companies with same purpose.. and it is upto individuals choice.. you might also want to compare the cost of the tools available to do this development... the tool from Microsoft is called Expression Blend for Silverlight apps development..
you might want to also look at blog of Silverlight and WPF enthusiast Panduranga: http://www.thinkingms.com/pandurang/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imai, that is the thing that i mentioned before as well.. Silverlight is XAML and so is WPF&#8230; so apps developed on Silverlight will run on WPF&#8230; being based off the web you have to restrict things like access to Hard Disk and that&#8217;s what Silverlight turns off.. XAML apps are run inside any other normal HTML page&#8230;<br />
Silverlight is xcrossplatform as it can run on Mac and on Linux via the Mono Project&#8230;<br />
Mrinal does mention that WPF is native to Windows can hence more powerful.. adding to that it is much more powerful in the media space i.e. videos and audio delivery..<br />
at this time, the technology behind WPF and Silverlight is still being matured&#8230; so it may be some days off before you see real world impact of Silverlight BUT it is definitely coming&#8230; and this may be a good time to get started with that as there are very few experts in the market..<br />
at the end, i agree with Phillip that these are technologies that are from different companies with same purpose.. and it is upto individuals choice.. you might also want to compare the cost of the tools available to do this development&#8230; the tool from Microsoft is called Expression Blend for Silverlight apps development..<br />
you might want to also look at blog of Silverlight and WPF enthusiast Panduranga: <a href="http://www.thinkingms.com/pandurang/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkingms.com/pandurang/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Imai</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25511</link>
		<dc:creator>Imai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mrinal,

This is imai (small and youngest RIA lover) .As your say,I have puth the badge at my blog -&#62; http://riadocs.com/?p=24#comment-10  . I also submitted the link at dzone,within few hours it comes to the popular links.All happens good but,I received a comment as follows ,,,
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Ok Iâ€™m confused as well.
Arenâ€™t silver light apps and .NET WPF apps developed using XAML and isnâ€™t that common lingua across the two?
If yes, doesnâ€™t that mean that a silver light app that runs on the browser could be run on the desktop as well on top of standard .NET runtime?
AIR == .NET run time?
except that .NET &#62;&#62;&#62; AIR?
Please do clarify
......................................................................
I can't able to get clear with this ..Waiting for your comments ..If possible have a visit on my blog ....Thanks for your badge too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mrinal,</p>
<p>This is imai (small and youngest RIA lover) .As your say,I have puth the badge at my blog -&gt; <a href="http://riadocs.com/?p=24#comment-10" rel="nofollow">http://riadocs.com/?p=24#comment-10</a>  . I also submitted the link at dzone,within few hours it comes to the popular links.All happens good but,I received a comment as follows ,,,<br />
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////<br />
Ok Iâ€™m confused as well.<br />
Arenâ€™t silver light apps and .NET WPF apps developed using XAML and isnâ€™t that common lingua across the two?<br />
If yes, doesnâ€™t that mean that a silver light app that runs on the browser could be run on the desktop as well on top of standard .NET runtime?<br />
AIR == .NET run time?<br />
except that .NET &gt;&gt;&gt; AIR?<br />
Please do clarify<br />
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I can&#8217;t able to get clear with this ..Waiting for your comments ..If possible have a visit on my blog &#8230;.Thanks for your badge too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25445</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I mentioned what AIR can do and WPF cannot .. but actually comparing AIR and WPF is a big insult for WPF because being the native UI technology of a platform WPF can do a lot more than what AIR can even think of doing .. AIR (no matter what the marketing guys at Adobe say) is only a way of extending you web apps to the desktop .. it can do far less than what Cocoa or WPF can ... but since it is targeted to be used by web developers it makes a lot of these things far easy to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I mentioned what AIR can do and WPF cannot .. but actually comparing AIR and WPF is a big insult for WPF because being the native UI technology of a platform WPF can do a lot more than what AIR can even think of doing .. AIR (no matter what the marketing guys at Adobe say) is only a way of extending you web apps to the desktop .. it can do far less than what Cocoa or WPF can &#8230; but since it is targeted to be used by web developers it makes a lot of these things far easy to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrinal Wadhwa</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrinal Wadhwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abhishek, 

I know what WPF is and it is not an equivalent of AIR either,   the keyword in that line about AIR is "with web technologies " .. AIR allows you to create desktop applications with html/javascript/css if you wanted to, there is no equivalent of that in the microsoft world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhishek, </p>
<p>I know what WPF is and it is not an equivalent of AIR either,   the keyword in that line about AIR is &#8220;with web technologies &#8221; .. AIR allows you to create desktop applications with html/javascript/css if you wanted to, there is no equivalent of that in the microsoft world.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Kerman</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25441</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Kerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Abhishek Kant you're right except the cross platform part... not that that's always an issue... but to be accurate you can't say WPF is xplatform.

I still think there's really not that much diff except they're offerings from different (and competing) companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Abhishek Kant you&#8217;re right except the cross platform part&#8230; not that that&#8217;s always an issue&#8230; but to be accurate you can&#8217;t say WPF is xplatform.</p>
<p>I still think there&#8217;s really not that much diff except they&#8217;re offerings from different (and competing) companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Kant</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25440</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek Kant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here's what you said - "Adobe AIR is cross platform desktop runtime that allows developers to build desktop applications using web technologies, it has no real equivalent in the Microsoft world."

in the MS world there is a very real equivalent of the desktop application development for RIA development and that is called WPF or Windows Presentation Foundation.. Silverlight is a subset of this very framework shrunk to run in web scenarios..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s what you said - &#8220;Adobe AIR is cross platform desktop runtime that allows developers to build desktop applications using web technologies, it has no real equivalent in the Microsoft world.&#8221;</p>
<p>in the MS world there is a very real equivalent of the desktop application development for RIA development and that is called WPF or Windows Presentation Foundation.. Silverlight is a subset of this very framework shrunk to run in web scenarios..</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay Pathak</title>
		<link>http://weblog.mrinalwadhwa.com/2008/05/21/adobe-air-versus-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-25424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay Pathak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE ALSO WRITTEN SOME THING ABOUT BOTH OF THESE ADOBE AIR AND FOR MICROSOFT SILVERLIGHT 
PLEASE GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK ON BOTH OF THESE 
IF I HAVE MISSED ANY POINT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE ALSO WRITTEN SOME THING ABOUT BOTH OF THESE ADOBE AIR AND FOR MICROSOFT SILVERLIGHT<br />
PLEASE GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK ON BOTH OF THESE<br />
IF I HAVE MISSED ANY POINT</p>
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